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♠1. Good girls and good boys rarely grow up to become good writers.

♠2. The good in good person and the good in good book is almost never the same thing.

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♠3. You can’t have a good book full of only good people.

♠4. A bad book is almost never bad because of the bad people in it. If anything, good bad characters make a book super good.

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♠5. A  writer cannot be all good if s/he wants to write a good book. Bad thoughts generate good ideas.

♠6. A writer cannot draw from only good experiences in life if s/he wants to be a good writer. No experience is too bad, too low, too shallow, too trite or too inconsequential to be put in a good book.

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♠7. No book can be too bad, too racy, too objectionable or too shallow  to be read by a person who aspires to write with an open mind.

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♠8. No task or company is beneath a writer. A writer must do as many kinds of work, get to know as many kinds of people, get into as many situations as possible.

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♠9. A writer has to be a gossip. Absorb other people’s lives, see them up close and personal, and then imagine the rest. Be as curious as possible about others.

♠10. A writer has to be present wherever there is drama, observe, yet be detached and not get sucked in so all points of views remain clear.

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97 responses to “Ten Secrets: Writers, Books, Good and Bad”

  1. bluebeadpublications Avatar

    Absolutely. No company is beneath a writer. Great post.

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  2. lwhewall87 Avatar
    lwhewall87

    Oscar Wilde, who was often berated for the subject matter and content in his only novel, had the same thought process: ‘There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.’ The writer is merely the commentator of the spectacle; the book itself isn’t the spectacle but the world itself, of which we are all responsible for.

    By the way, thank you Bottledworder for ‘liking’ one of my posts (Reflections on…the modern world: part 6). I’m pleased you enjoyed the read. If you would like to read more, you can follow me at newsreviewsreflections.wordpress.com. That goes for everyone else too; every one with a keen interest in words, news, reviews and reflections.

    Many thanks

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  3. louiseordersewell Avatar
    louiseordersewell

    Excellent !!! Point 1 – so true…… of course, that doesn’t apply to me of course…no absolutely not….never…-adjusts stolen halo-

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  4. Shelley K Wall Avatar

    Reblogged this on Shelley's Blog and commented:
    Good Post. Yes, the good in books equates to a lot of bad…or at least the ability write about it creatively. When you have good bad guys and good bad situations…that’s a good book. People read it and stay involved. So, too much of a good thing really is bad for you? Or is it a lot of bad things can be good for you?

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  5. shreejacob Avatar

    Number 9 made me think of the Ceylonese community (I’m Ceylonese btw) and I grinned reading that a writer has to be a gossip. I have yet to meet another community (in my very biased mind) that could ace the Ceylonese in the gift of gossiping 😛
    Nice points though…made me think of what I have been reading, there is no good or bad Universally speaking for all things are meant to be as it is. It unfolds as it does towards a purpose…the evolution of the human spirit.

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  7. Shannon Pardoe Avatar
    Shannon Pardoe

    Reblogged this on An explosion of creative madness and commented:
    Love this, amusing and original!

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  8. mayalfred Avatar
    mayalfred

    Good reading…Liked the originality and the humor!! Anyways like your writing style always!! God Bless….

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  9. adamjasonp Avatar

    ♠11. Don’t be a psycho that copies without proper perspective, becoming the killer in Single White Female.

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  10. sarajanelle Avatar

    This is an extremely true and correct list. Thank you. #9 is my favorite fact here. I’m not big on gossip, but I’M HUGE on listening to others conversations, people watching, and creating the lives of strangers in my mind.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Yes. That’s absolutely vital for getting the raw material for imagination to flourish!

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  11. flowersofwhite Avatar

    Reblogged this on Boring Ol Me and commented:
    Thought you might enjoy the humor as I did.

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  12. therealtbaggins Avatar
    therealtbaggins

    Reblogged this on shadesofgay and commented:
    Good stuff…

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  13. […] First, bottledworder had a great post the other day: Ten Secrets: Writers, Books, Good and Bad […]

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  14. kelihasablog Avatar
    kelihasablog

    True & excellent… I must stay detached & not get sucked in, I must stay detached and not get sucked in… maybe if I say it enough it will stick… 😀

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Ha ha. If you get sucked in there might be a story too!

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  15. I Blogged Your Mom Avatar

    I think Hunter Thompson might disagree with #10, and he was a fairly decent writer. He was a good writer BECAUSE he made stories where there might not have been one before.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Agree. That’s a huge talent. Some of us just copy the drama in real life.

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  16. cecilia Avatar

    Oh yikes.. I was a good girl!! Right, I am off out to be bad or a writer i will never be!! c

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  17. meromusings Avatar

    great post and I love the originality!! love the humor too 🙂

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  18. shehannemoore Avatar

    What a brilliant post. I’ve come back to re-read it i loved it so much. Point one best. But 8 is pretty good too. They all are. Yours, in awe.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      🙂 Thanks for coming back to read it again and taking the time to comment!

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      1. shehannemoore Avatar

        A pleasure. Your posts are well worth coming back to. All of them.

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  19. P. C. Zick Avatar

    You hit on something here. It relieves me in a way. I always wondered why I was a gossip. I’m also an eavesdropper when I’m in a public place. And I’ve always said writing the bad parts of good characters or writing the bad characters is always the most fun. It gives me a chance to get all that crap out of my head without getting into trouble. But trouble is not always such a bad thing, especially for a writer.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Yes. Gossip is good. Trouble better! 🙂

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  20. bakersfieldlad Avatar

    Have to agree with just about all of the points, any story or novel needs some kind of conflict and if you dont have bad how can you see how good is really good? I also agree that happy agreeable comfortable people will unlikely make good writers – they wont have had too many bad experiences to draw on when they come to write about conflict or bad situations. In any feel-good book, novel, story, film good has to triumph over evil but the baddie has to be good and believable and a complex character with an interesting personal history. Yes Bad can be Good for writers!!

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Yes, this is what I really meant. You put it very well.

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  21. Abraham Avatar

    Interesting. About #10, – keeping all points of view clear – that may be good for a news report, but one can also write a biased opinion piece and draw strong reactions 🙂 is that good or bad?

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Good. Good. All good. 🙂

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  22. wildkey669 Avatar

    Although I didn’t like fifty shades of gray (for other reasons besides the raciness), I like your #7. I’m a firm believer in reading everything, despite bad reviews, so I can give something an honest opinion. Thanks for sharing 🙂

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Yes, that’s the spirit! I agree.

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  23. pbh Avatar
    pbh

    Can’t think of you as a goody-goody anymore 😉 “Jonathan Livingstone Seagull” was a goody good book i liked,or did I skip some salacious parts. My first best bady good book was “Lady Chatterly’s Lover”. Guess I’m some kind of wholesome-erotic.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Oh! But I *am* goody-two-shoes!

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  24. T Avatar

    I liked this, it made me smile. I largely agree, though like an above poster, I was a little wary of the dichotomous notion of “good” and “bad” characters and writers. It depends on how you want to define those words, but I can’t even imagine that writers/characters aren’t an inseparable mixture of the two. Still, I especially liked number four– I took it to refer to flawed characters, and those are my butter and biscuits. 🙂

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Yes, defining good and bad can get tricky. Yes, we are mixtures.

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  25. Waywardspirit Avatar

    Yes, have a lot of different experiences to gain different perspective. Never seen this subject put just like this. Love your knack. got me smiling, at how much drama my life has been, for the first time just like this.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      drama will make a good subject to write on!

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      1. Waywardspirit Avatar

        you are so fresh!
        Wayward likes your Gravatar, too. likes you too. : ) It’s the art. Like her.

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  26. Marlene Dotterer Avatar

    Yay! Excuses to do new things! I think I’ll tape them around the house.

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  27. Grass Oil by Molly Field Avatar

    your points make me sad… i feel like i’ll never be a good writer. i don’t like gossipers… i also think that some people write racy stuff just to make a buck, not actually write literature or for people who want to actually read good books… i know you mean it tongue-in-cheek. i mean this comment that way too. 🙂 fun post!

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      ha ha. .. thanks for reading

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  28. Tiffany N. York Avatar

    Thank you for justifying my existence.

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  29. kkline922 Avatar
    kkline922

    Superb post. Some nice things to think about. Thanks ; )

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      thanks for reading

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  30. Becca K. Avatar

    I really appreciated these secrets, but I have to object to three (sorta 4) of them.
    #1/#4 – You have to redefine “good” and “bad” people. In my world, good people are not people who have no bad thoughts; they are people who have bad thoughts and choose not to act on them. Therefore a good person can tap into their “bad” thoughts. You quite correctly state these are necessary for imaginative writing. People with no bad thoughts aren’t really good–they just lack imagination. 😉
    #7 – Occasionally, reading something poorly written leads you to consider how to avoid the similar traps, and reading something shallow leads you to consider what could have been added to bring more depth, but reading racy and objectionable stuff just fills your soul with garbage. I know this opinion might not be shared by others (feel free to disagree below), and I believe people have every right to write such things, but there’s no reason people should feel they HAVE to read such things. Reading things that are racy or objectionable is completely unnecessary for good writing.
    #9 – A writer should be OBSERVANT (possibly both nosy and an eavesdropper, as Ms. Noelle states). That’s what I think you mean to say. A gossip is someone who blabs about other people. Not the same. I agree that real life experiences (yours and others’) should contribute to your work, should seed your writing, but telling the world about your pal’s affair or health issue or whatever because it makes a good story would be a horrible incursion on their privacy, and almost a theft. Make the story yours by changing details, names, locations, altering the context, fictionalizing, whatever. You’ll keep more friends that way, too.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      I’m really glad that you thought these points (written partly tongue-in-cheek, I confess) warranted such in-depth comments. “People with no bad thoughts aren’t really good–they just lack imagination.” You said this better than me.
      #7: Yes, I agree. No one has to read everything. But to me, even the worst kinds of subject matter handled badly teaches me about gaps in logic, failures of description or other things one must not do. Even badly depicted scenes (in the case of unnecessarily racy stuff) can teach what does not work. If the scenes are done well but one objects to their content, I think one can still admire the technique. #9: Yes. Absolutely. I don’t like revealing my own or other people’s personal details. If a writer does not have enough imagination to come up with fictional names and places, what kind of writer is s/he?
      The reason I used the word “gossip” was partly in jest but also partly because certain kinds of writing, say ones dealing with the domestic sphere or relationships or women’s writing are often dismissed as “gossipy” or “chick lit” or whetever else–as though they are not important. I guess I was implicitly objecting to this kind of dismissal of what I consider good writing that needs respect.
      Thanks for a great comment. I really appreciate such comments that show a reader has read me critically.

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  31. Gary Showalter Avatar

    VERY interesting comments on writers and writing. Stuff I’ve know but never put into words. Thanks for doing that for me.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Thanks for reading.

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  32. Edward Hotspur Avatar

    50 Shades isn’t bad because it’s about depraved and/or submissive sex between a power tripper and some weak bimbos. It’s bad because 1) It’s written poorly and 2) honestly, you can only take so much textual erotica before it starts to repeat itself and all the descriptions sound forced (ha ha) and boring. I invoke Rule 4 on 50 Shades of Grey.

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  33. darkbrightly Avatar

    Reblogged this on DarkBrightly and commented:
    Interesting thoughts from bottledworder to help prep for National Novel Writing Month.

    How do you plan? Do you plan, or are you a pantser (seat-of-the-pantser)?

    I’m stuck this year, debating whether I should even try. I’m so busy, but I love writing, and I need a kick in the pants to get going. NaNo is the perfect kick – I just need to take advantage of it. Not only do I have no plot, I have no characters, no setting, nothing. Yet. Please feel free to suggest things, because I am stuck.

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  34. Stone.Soup.Stories. Avatar

    LOVE this. Love, love, love. Thank you.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Thanks. Thanks. Thanks.

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  35. marionquitasol Avatar

    Hello! I have nominated you for The Super Sweet Blogging Award http://marionquitasol.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/super-sweet-blogging-award/
    This is my thank you for inspiring me once in a while. 🙂

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  36. hangargallery Avatar

    Pushing the boundaries! Awesome!

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  37. moxiegirl44 Avatar

    This was awesome. I’m quoting you on twitter – several times – tonight. Simply awesome!

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      🙂 glad you liked it!!

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  38. W. J. Rodríguez Avatar

    Love the post. I’m not sure these count as secrets, but they are battle tested guidelines for every writer.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Yes. The original version of the title had “points.” Then I thought let me say “secrets”!

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  39. potterfan97 Avatar

    I love your statement about observing other people’s lives and imagining the rest. So necessary to be a good writer!

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  40. on thehomefrontandbeyond Avatar

    some very good points–and some I will keep in mind

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      they were also somewhat tongue in cheek

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      1. on thehomefrontandbeyond Avatar

        but even so–they were good

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  41. Janna G. Noelle Avatar

    A writer has to be a gossip.
    And an eavesdropper. And nosy. All my sins are now excused.

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  42. doktorfitz Avatar
    doktorfitz

    Awesome. Very true.

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  43. coffee2words Avatar

    ♠5. A writer cannot be all good if s/he wants to write a good book. Bad thoughts generate good ideas.

    Ain’t that the truth!! 🙂 thanks for the amusing post 😀

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Glad you caught the humour. 🙂

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  44. Janet Williams Avatar

    I like point 10 — it’s like being a journalist, isn’t it? Being present but also being detached. A good writer needs to learn to sharpen his observations. It’s not easy.

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      Also being overwhelmed by fear, love or any other emotion isn’t a good accompaniment to writing unless they are carefully controlled. That’s why the detachment is necessary. Right?

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  45. Tom Benson Avatar

    So much truth here … and neither good or bad wins. Your own observations and personal experience are showing in this piece. To my way of thinking this sort of thing can’t be learned from books, but only through life.
    Tom

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  46. bookmaker Avatar

    Good post! Good title – it draw me in. Thanks!

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    1. bottledworder Avatar

      thanks for reading!

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  47. vernette Avatar

    hmm interesting post. #7 esp hits home to me since my review for 50 Shades was that it was good birdcage liner. Seeing it from #7 though, changes how I feel about that book in particular just a bit.

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